Dullest Edge

Trying to think of an apt page name, we were inspired by the US's hit television show, "The Weakest Link". It seemed appropriate since the "Cutting Edge" of 'Director' David Bay can now be clearly seen as being FAR less than incisive - and may, in fact, be one of the dullest knives in the drawer!

When he proclaimed that secret forces controlled the weather, we really had to wonder. As he moved closer to the philosophies of the militia movement, we scratched our head even more. Both seemed to be a LONG way from doing what - ostensibly - religious leaders are supposed to do. Revisiting his site recently, though, we were ASTOUNDED to find that WE were the subject of one of his diatribes.

What really caused us to laugh hysterically, though, is that in 'exposing' what he thinks is some kind of Masonic plot, he shows in the sharpest way possible just how gullible he is - and it shows, by extension, just how insightful his other claims about the evils of Freemasonry really are! (We'll leave it to you, gentle reader, to pass judgment on whether the US government is manipulating the weather....). 

Knowing that David would LOVE the world to find out about this secret plot against him, we've taken the liberty of copying his page right here. We hope he doesn't mind - but if he does, we'll take it down and revert to 'fair use' quotations. We'll also post any correspondence he sends us when he finally figures out how silly he's been.

What did we find? Well, first there was this bold announcement:

The Freemasonry Connection With The New World Order

A pointed email from a Mason to Ed King of  MasonicInfo.com urges that Mr. King "dig up a lot of dirt" on Epperson and me.  Can I smell a lying smear campaign coming?

Holy Mackerel, Batman: what's up with THAT??? (And say - why doesn't the master of links not bother to at least add a hyperlink to our site? Well, that's another issue....)

We wanted to find out just what connection we had to this amorphous 'New World Order' which Bay and others bleat about incessantly so we immediately went to the hyperlinked section. Please don't have fluids in your mouth unless you wish to perform an unplanned cleaning of your computer screen! Here's what we found:


Subtitle:  A pointed email from a Mason to Ed King of MasonicInfo.com urges that Mr. King "dig up a lot of dirt" on Epperson and me.  Can I smell a lying smear campaign coming?

<Masonicinfo Note: our interlinear comments will be in this odd color rather than our usual red. We ask: how is the "Pastor's" sense of smell? You'll see as you read on.>

NEWS BRIEF:  "Deliberation of Truth = Freedom", email to Ed King from a Mason, August 28, 2000.

<Masonicinfo Note: Ah --- but how did David Bay get our e-mail, we wondered... A quick look through our records revealed that the person who sent this also sent HIM a copy of it. Curiously (to us but not, apparently, to the incisive 'Cutting Edge') was that the message was also (a) unsigned, (b) sent from a pseudonym of "IAmOneForGod" which - one would hope - might give the ever-so-astute "Director" a clue, and (c) never once gives an indication that the poster is a Mason. Yet - bewilderingly - Bay now claims that he is!  How does he make such huge leaps? Who knows - but read on....>

"Dear Ed King,

"Yes, I think that you should do some exposing of your own. Don't be simplistic about your outlook on this subject. Do some in-depth research to expose their means.  You have quite a lot dirt to dig up on all of these anti-masons listed on your well-organized web site. Don't settle for childish antics.  Stand up for yourself and the brotherhood ... My description of Epperson and his work were FAR too simplistic. Indeed, he should have been given far more 'ink' than what we've got. His works are well-favored by Christian Identity groups and those of the self-styled 'militia'. It's my understanding that an upcoming hate-crime trial is going to attempt to use Epperson's works as part of the 'excuse' much the same way as Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh has used the 'Turner Diaries' for his.""

Indeed, Epperson should be debunked completely - and I'll work on doing so over the next couple of weeks."

<Masonicinfo Note: VERY curious - but did you notice that this starts out as if there was MORE correspondence here? Well, there was - and Bay received that also prior to the message he chose to quote. Somehow, he seems to have overlooked that - and the fact that the poster was, rather than a Mason, someone who apparently thought highly of Bay's writings about Epperson.>

From: IamOne4God@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:23:55 EDT
Subject: Truth=Freedom
To: Reply@masonicinfo.com
RE: www.masonicinfo.com/others_pg1.htm.

Ralph Epperson - Blending American patriotism with conspiracies behind every tree and that wonderful desire to earn money from tapes and books, Ralph is another of those who're convinced that he's found the solution to it all.

COMMENTS: I do not understand your view for a person who does in-depth research and produces his own material. If his material was outrageously price I might understand your view about his earnings. Your comments about Mr. Epperson and his research need more evidence for support.

<Material taken from Bay's review redacted. You can go to the "store" on his web site and spend your money on this if you want....>

May the LORD JESUS bless you.

B. Adcock

<Masonicinfo Note: Hmmmm.... no mention whatsoever about being a Mason and the closing sentence is not something a Mason, considerate of others' religious beliefs, would use unless knowing the person in question to be a Christian. There's nothing whatsoever in the post to identify B. Adcock as a Mason (or even a male!): no lodge name/location as is customary when one Mason writes to another, no Masonic title, NOTHING. Ah, but that doesn't stop the insightful Director Bay from making a charge to suit his purposes, does it? Oh, and there's one other thing: it looks like that message Bay has on his site (and shown at the top of this frame) is sent from someone else to me, doesn't it? Would you be surprised if it wasn't? In the wacky world of anti-Masonry, nothing should surprise you.... Here's OUR somewhat sarcastic reply to B. Adcock:

You're right! My description of Epperson and his work were FAR too simplistic. Indeed, he should have been given far more 'ink' than what we've got. His works are well-favored by Christian Identity groups and those of the self-styled 'militia'. It's my understanding that an upcoming hate-crime trial is going to attempt to use Epperson's works as part of the 'excuse' much the same way as Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh has used the 'Turner Diaries' for his. Indeed, Epperson should be debunked completely - and I'll work on doing so over the next couple of weeks. Interesting too that Epperson has been cited by other authors for his latent anti-Semitism. Yes, I will have to expand this particular section immediately!

<Masonicinfo Note: Curious, isn't it, that my reply is interwoven with the original message....  Can we all spell 'obfuscation'?  To be charitable, however, perhaps the Director just gets very confused, worrying as he does about the New World Order, weather control, and the like.  So how did Bay get this? Well, here's how: B. Adcock (perhaps a pseudonym chosen deliberately? Read it without the period being there....) sent a copy of this message to him.>

Dear Ed King,
Yes, I think that you should do some exposing of your own. Don't be simplistic about your outlook on this subject. Do some in-depth research to expose their means. You have quite a lot dirt to dig up on all of these anti-masons listed on your well-organized web site. Don't settle for childish antics. Stand up for yourself and the brotherhood.  Even better yet, you should stand up against their accusations and refute your side publicly in a debate. I am almost sure that if you where to openly debate point of views, that a lot of the mud slinging and mockery would be put to bed. After the dust settles and the light shines through, then and only then will we see the real truth. I feel confident that you can pull this off. The only thing that I am not sure of is if your willingness to discuss both sides of the issues publicly ((CREATE A WEB ADDRESS OR SITE TO OPENLY DISCUSS MATTERS OF INDIFFERENCE BETWEEN FREEMASONRY AND ANTI-MASONRY)). Nothing to lose, only the mask. I will copy those mentioned in the first letter concerning this debate. It is time to separate adults from the children in regard to this matter. Are you guys up for it? May the LORD JESUS greatly bless you  B. Adcock

<Masonicinfo Note: Perhaps the good "Pastor" has been reading too much lately - or too busy selling books. Either way, any rational person could see that this is NOT a message from a Mason but rather an attempt at 'proving' that Epperson is right and that Freemasonry is wrong. Pretty funny, isn't it?>

<Masonicinfo Note: Bay continues:>

This Mason is angry because Epperson did some really deep digging into the Invisible, Inner Freemasonry [Read Free001a], quoted much of these formerly secret material verbatim and then tied all their teachings together to reach some truthful, but startling conclusions.  He proves that Masonry's major aim is the total destruction of Christianity [Masonry:  Conspiracy Against Christianity "].  My research has revealed the same Anti-Christian goals.

<Masonicinfo Note: With 'exposures' of Freemasonry since before 1700, it's hard to understand what Bay thinks might have been or still be secret. Perhaps he can explain just how 5-7 million people can keep something secret anyway.... Beyond that, Epperson's work didn't prove anything 'startling' at all: it was, in fact, the same old stuff that others have thrown against Freemasonry: inaccurate assumptions buttressed by out-of-context quotes, claims that Pike and Hall speak for Freemasonry etc. etc..>

Whenever men cannot refute using facts, they invariably turn to slander, usually going after the person's reputation.  This ploy has been used over the centuries, sometimes to great effect, to bring a person down through lies when what they have been saying cannot be refuted by words.  In fact, I am well aware that it is difficult for a Mason to "defend the indefensible".  How can you defend against the words of Masonic authors praising Lucifer, teaching the same beliefs as the old Satanic Mystery Religions of Antiquity, and using the same symbols as do Satanists?

<Masonicinfo Note: There are equally as many Masonic authors praising Lucifer as there are Masons writing to me to 'get' Ralph Epperson.... NONE!>

The only defense possible is to either attempt to say such Masonic authors do not represent real Masonic thinking, or to attempt to lie about the character and reputation of the authors who are reporting the truth of what Freemasonry is all about.  This Mason writing Ed King is attempting to take the low road with Ralph Epperson.  Listen:

"Interesting too that Epperson has been cited by other authors for his latent anti-Semitism. Yes, I will have to expand this particular section immediately!"  The first lie this Mason attempts to tell is that Epperson is anti-Semitic, one of the oldest smear lies in history.  I have read all of Epperson's books, and have not detected any anti-Semitism in them at all, and I am very sensitive to anything that smacks of hatred or animosity against God's Chosen People. 

<Masonicinfo Note: Talk about getting things confused. It's Ed King - me - that wrote about Epperson's latent anti-Semitism not the non-Mason as Bay fancies. Perhaps the 'Director' would be good enough to explain what Epperson means when referring to those mysterious "International Bankers". For most (and particularly for those who follow the extremist right), that's a 'codeword' for JEW - used in the most pejorative way! It's also curious that so many of the so-called "Christian Militia" describe Jews as being "God's Chosen People" capitalized as Bay has done - or his use of the word "sheep-ple".... Very curious....>

The second lie is that Epperson courts the support of Christian Identity Groups.  Since these groups are considered to be far-right wacko organizations, this accusation is attempting to paint Epperson with the same broad brush.  If Christians were to think Ralph Epperson is part of the Christian Identity Group, and/or that he is anti-Semitic, that could possibly stop the sale of his excellent books in their tracks.

<Masonicinfo Note: We wonder if the good 'Director' would be kind enough to show where in our writings - or even that of the original message sender - such a claim is made. It isn't. Plainly, simply: David Bay has either misread or he has lied in order to further his rhetoric. You decide.... And the 'Director' himself might want to look at a few of those Christian Identity sites which link to him.... Peculiar!> 


"You have quite a lot dirt to dig up on all of these anti-masons listed on your well-organized web site. Don't settle for childish antics.  Stand up for yourself and the brotherhood."

What happens when a Christian author has no legitimate dirt that someone can dig up?  Why, that is no problem -- all the smear artist has to do is to invent some delicious dirt!  Americans continue to show their love of falsehoods and innuendo by buying all those dirt magazines, National Enquirer and Star, and many others.  Most of those stories are totally invented out of thin air, which is why these rags are constantly finding themselves in court accused of slander, usually by a Hollywood actor or actress incensed by the lies told about them. 

<Masonicinfo Note: Is the 'Director' concerned because his 'acting' may be exposed as well???>

The reason God hates lies so much is that they do not need to have any basis of truth whatsoever.

<Masonicinfo Note: "God hates...."  Consider that phrase well....>

This Mason is urging Mr. King to "dig up dirt" on Epperson and me, and to do so in a rough and tumble manner, not settling for "childish antics". 

<Masonicinfo Note: How did BAY get into this? He wasn't even MENTIONED! It's a typical trait of anti-Masons: toss in a slight fabrication and then build on it later. Nobody mentioned Bay but here he's found an opportunity to glorify himself and create a false impression in the mind of his flock that HE is a subject of persecution as well. Read the messages above. Does the (non) Mason writer mention anything about Bay whatsoever? Nope....>

  In other words, he thinks it is time to get tough in spreading lies and innuendo about us.  Spreading these lies will be "standing up for the brotherhood".  If the Brotherhood of Freemasonry needs to resort to lying as a tactic in order to defend itself, then it is exactly the type of Luciferic organization we have reported it to be.  They are convicted by their own words.

<Masonicinfo Note: False premise (the original writer is a Mason) equals false conclusion. What more is there to be written? We haven't resorted to lying - unlike anti-Masons - so guess the 'Director' needs to give up on his defamation of Freemasonry! <grin>>

When this Masonic author urged Mr. King to not "settle for childish antics", I wondered if he was insinuating that the Masonic leadership resort to physical action?  Since too many local and state police officials, judges, and prosecutors are Masons, I wonder if some lying charges might be trumped up against Epperson and me?  Might we expect a police officer at our door with a warrant, charging us with some invented crime?

<Masonicinfo Com: Curious that Bay assumes the writer to be male, isn't it? We wonder too if he could provide some evidence for his claim that local and state police officials, judges and prosecutors are Masons. We'll bet you that he can't.... Does the 'Director' do things so that he'd fear a visit from law enforcement? Is he imagining the takeover by FEMA again as he did prior to the year 2000 perhaps? (That's another whole story.... <sigh>)> 

The manner in which "hate crime" is consistently being redefined, that might be the charge.  But, you know, it could be anything, and the more delicious the lie, the more received it might be among the masses.  With high technology today [Read NEWS1375 and NEWS1378 to see how technologically feasible it is now to create false "official" records and documents], it would be easy for someone in official government to create documents that, while totally fake, look very, very real.

<Masonicinfo Note: Methinks he doth protest too much....

         and, of course, this very technique could be used to describe the materials created by William Cooper, Richard Hoagland, et. al. in their books and videos trying to prove how 'legitimate' they really are.... >

To be honest, this email from this outraged Freemason is the ranting of one Mason.  We have no evidence that Mr. King or anyone else in official Freemasonry is actually planning a smear campaign.  But, we were copied on this email to Mr. King in order that we might feel intimidated that such an official campaign might be forthcoming.

What did my Daddy used to say?  "To be forewarned is to be forearmed".

This spiritual warfare just might be getting more physical soon.

<Masonicinfo Note: Does the 'Director' seriously think that he's important enough for an organization as large as Freemasonry to even notice his insignificant drivel? There have been, over the centuries, other anti-Masons FAR more significant than himself. When we consider the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini and others, Bay - although standing seemingly proud in their company - pales by comparison. No, David: the black helicopters from the Masons won't be landing in your yard. You can worry about other things - like Masons fiddling with the weather so that your turnips won't grow next summer....>

Balance of proselytizing snipped.... We've provided enough links to his site of fear and false teachings already.

Gentle readers: it's not only us who think that the "Pastor" has some motives other than religion....

At one point, the 'Director' Bay brags in a newsletter that he was identified by the world-famous Simon Wiesenthal Center as being a 'hate site'.  Of course, a leading Jewish organization labels him as such but he denies anti-Semitism....  Very curious! Bay also notes that among the other organizations the Wiesenthal Center listed was

"Chick Publications -- http://www.chick.com/ -- a very fine organization primarily designed to fight the deception of Catholicism. All the time I have used a Chick Publication in my ministry and in my personal life, I never noticed any "Hate" pouring out.  However, the Roman Catholic Church today is one of the Politically Correct organizations, so any Christian ministry dedicated to exposing the deception of this church would be considered a "Hate Group".  I feel we are in good company to be listed with Chick Publications."

If that's the way you feel, 'Director', it's not surprising to the rest of us that you didn't 'notice' the foolishness of the assumptions you made about the message involving Epperson. We also don't think you should be surprised when you pop up on more and more lists of those who spread hate and falsehoods on the web. Readers may wish to read our comments about Chick publications here.

Oh, and as for Ralph Epperson who so eagerly seeks attention that he's even created an actual book review for those Masons who wish to condemn him Poor, poor Director Bay...., it's all just a ruse to sell more books and tapes! Ralph whines that authors Morris and deHoyos in 'Is It True What They Say About Freemasonry' have ignored him, that none of the television talk shows will put him on, and that nobody wants to listen to him: poor Ralph.... 


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